Refutation: Islamic claim of Jeremiah 8:8

Muslims assert that Jeremiah 8:8 says that the scribes used a "false pen" in their feeble attempt to justify their outrageous claim that our great sages corrupted the Torah and Tanakh. They make these claims by misquoting the Tanakh, and relying on defective Christian translations.

The translation and general lack of understanding lead Muslims to such a dim-witted conclusion. The proper translation of the verse is:


How can you say, We are wise, and the Torah of the L-rd is with us? Surely,
the pen wrought in vain, in vain the scribes. The wise men are ashamed, they are
dismayed and taken: Lo, they have rejected the word of the L-RD; and what wisdom
is in them?
(Jeremiah 8:8)

The verse is telling us that they rejected the Torah, so they have no wisdom. They essentially did not follow the Torah, so their writings and study were in vain. Jeremiah then writes a bit later:

And you shall say to them: So said the L-rd, If you do not heed Me to walk in My
law that I have placed before you
, To heed the words of My servants, the
prophets, whom I send to you betimes, and you did not heed. I will make this
house like Shiloh and this city I will make into a curse to all the nations of
the earth.
(Jeremiah 26:4-6)

How could we follow the law that G-d places before us (bold text), if the law was corrupted? This presupposes that the Torah was uncorrupt and available during the time of Jeremiah. Since Jeremiah wrote Jeremiah 8:8, who better than he to tell us the precise meaning of the passage in question? The mistranslation of the Islamic claim is quite evident.

Perception: The place of Sun rise and Sun set

Till, when he [the traveller Zul-qarnain] reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring, ...
-- Sura Sura 18:86


Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun,
he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.
-- Sura Sura 18:90


First: It is scientifically proven that the sun does not go down in a muddy spring.

Second: This seems to presuppose a flat earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? It does not say, he went as far as possible on land in these directions and then observed the sun-rise or sun-set while standing at this shore. A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting "far away". It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the sun sets and in his second journey the place where it rises.

Furthermore: Yusuf Ali in his commentary reports that Zul-qarnain is thought to be Alexander the Great. And so does the "Concise Dictionary of Islam." Looking at verses 98-101, this would make Alexander the Great a Muslim -- 1000 years before Muhammad. Yet that is for sure not true. The history does not relate that Alexander the Great had any other religion than the pagan Greeks he came from and ruled over. This is historically blatantly false.

Evidence: What is the evidence for the Mount Sinai Event that is so difficult to dispute?

First, let’s differentiate between “difficult to dispute” and “indisputable.” I don’t believe there’s indisputable evidence for any event of history. All we can do is apply the same criteria we apply to everyday situations. When we sit in the dentist’s chair, we don’t demand “indisputable proof” that he’s a dentist. There’s the possibility that he’s not. Really—it’s happened. But that’s how life goes—you take the most likely scenario.

The MSE (Mount Sinai Event) is the most likely scenario to explain the Jewish people. Any other scenario is **very** difficult.

The evidence for the MSE has been discussed by many classic Jewish writers. The best known—but not the only—proof is that stated by Rabbi Yehuda HaLevi in his book known as the Kuzari: “The Mount Sinai Event is the central event of Jewish history, theology and consciousness. It is the shared memory of an entire people who claim to have heard the Creator of the Universe speaking to them en masse. It’s far too outrageous to be a myth—how could you possibly convince an entire nation of such an event if it never happened? People would say, ”Why did my father never tell me any of this?” The very fact that no other people ever came up with anything like it screams out its veracity.”

It’s too difficult to convince people of a historical event of this sort that never happened. This means that historical events involving masses of people are very difficult to make up. That’s why legends and mythology are always about private or “biographical” events. For example, a certain person, or small group of people, were told something by G-d (or “the gods”). Or a great hero wrestled a monster before a handful of villagers. Those things are easy to make up. But to come to a people and say, “Guess what! Your father and mother may never have told you this, but all of our ancestors experienced this cataclysmic event that forged our entire history ever since!” You’ve got a hard sell.

Why would you want to make such a sale? So that people will obey these commandments, I suppose. Which leaves a very good question: If this is such a good way to get people to follow the laws of your society, why didn’t any other people come up with the idea? Why does everybody else either claim their laws were handed to a single individual or small group, or simply admit that they were made by human beings? For the reason I gave above: It’s too difficult to convince people of an historical event of this sort that never happened.

You might say, “Well, maybe they took some minor event and just kept exaggerating it over the centuries?” This could happen. People love to add on to stories.

However, when this occurs we inevitably end up with highly diverse, multiple versions of the story—sometimes so diverse they are no longer recognizable as the same story. In our case, there is only one version of the story, accepted by not only all Jews until recent times, but also the ancient Romans and all Christians and Moslems. This can only be attributed to the preservation of a consistent written account.

But, as I wrote the **real** problem for most people is not the evidence or lack thereof, but the difficulty they have in conceiving such an event. It simply does not fit into their normative realm of experience. That is why I wrote what I wrote—simply to relate it more to that which we know and understand.

Rabbi Tzvi Freeman
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=416&o=399